PLEASE do not tell me that you think UK medical workers don’t get paid
I know they do, but it’s peanuts compared to American medical professionals.
Well yeah I’m not surprised when the average doctors office appointment in the US costs $69 a patient compared to £0 here, and that you still have to pay for doctors appointments even if you already paid insurance. They’re raking it in by ripping you off.
You’re a fool if you believe the average doctor office appointment visit costs £0. You mean your dumb ass doesn’t pay anything directly. This was @atomicfiend1945‘s point. Your visit wasn’t free. You are just under the illusion that it is because your money has been shuffled (poorly) behind the scenes in one way or another.
Considering you actually believe complete utter nonsense like “letting people go bankrupt or just die,” you probably do not understand slightly more complicated things like the third-party payer problem or price controls. This is why monopolized government and government regulated healthcare are always a disaster and generally collapses under their own constraints. It’s also why people under the nationalized healthcare system often will pay for better healthcare coverage (two-tier system) if they can or will actually travel to a place like the United States to get better, quicker care when they really need it.
I’m not saying the United States’s government-riddled pseudo private market system is ideal or perfect, but at least the doctors and patients have some say in the financial arrangement they want in the healthcare process. They decide how much care they want, by whom, and at the cost they can afford; not some bureaucrat hundreds of miles away.
The only thing advocates of nationalized healthcare actually understand is “well, I got mine, and that’s all that matters.” They have do not have the slightest clue, economically speaking, about how they are actually getting ripped off or how the system is ripping everyone else off in order to keep this bad system operating…very poorly I might add. They also talk a big game about how bad monopolies are when they’re more than happy to make the government the biggest monopoly in the land.
HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES AM I GOING TO HAVE TO TELL AN AMERICAN THAT WE FUCKING KNOW THAT “FREE HEALTHCARE” MEANS WE DONT HAVE TO PAY DIRECTLY BUT INSTEAD THROUGH TAXATION?
WE KNOW
WE KNOW
WE KNOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Yet, you still make faulty comparisons between the cost of doctors visits. Perhaps when you start being more honest about your crappy healthcare service we’ll stop treating you like an idiot. Fair enough?
What claims have I made about the NHS? What am I dishonest about? That people don’t become bankrupt over healthcare because of the NHS over here?
You just look like the idiot for thinking that every person in Europe doesn’t understand the difference between actually free and free through tax. Everyone knows that. You’re not special or smart for telling us that.
Yes, you don’t have to go bankrupt over here either. So, you’re false dilemma of “die or go bankrupt” is incorrect. Then you made the argument that it costs
£0 for a doctors visit in the UK, but then claim that you know it doesn’t really cost £0 because it is paid by the taxpayer. So, when you make absurd statements like “free through tax” you’re either being purposely dishonest or you’re just a complete idiot. Which is it?
Why are you lying? You just said the leading cause of bankruptcy (https://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148) in the US is “nobody has to go bankrupt”.
After being so stupid as to think “paid for by everyone’s taxes” isn’t functionally free.
And that cheaper costs and higher quality is bad, and you cite a healthcare system that is being privatized and consequently losing quality as evidence against UH and for privatization.
The studies to which those statistics are pulled from are highly flawed and purposely deceptive. Moreover, I indeed stated you don’t have to go bankrupt, which is 100% true. Having directly gone through a medical situation and having worked in the healthcare industry I actually understand the rules of paying back medical debt. Bankruptcy is 100% not necessary. I even dropped a link above explaining why, which you clearly haven’t bothered to read.
“to think ‘paid for by everyone’s taxes’ isn’t functionally free.”
Paid by everyone’s taxes insinuates that something had a cost, therefore it cannot be free, you dunce. There is nothing “functionally” free about it whatsoever. It costs money, people paid for it with their taxes. It is not free. This is not difficult to grasp.
I posed the question whether you were either deceitful or just dumb. I believe we have established it is the latter.
“And that cheaper costs and higher quality is bad
and you cite a healthcare system that is being privatized and consequently losing quality”
Not once did I insinuate cheaper costs and higher quality is bad. In fact, NHS’s costs have consistently increased while their wait times have also increased.
Whether NHS is purportedly headed toward scary privatization (highly doubtful in any capacity), the point is that under centralized bureaucratic control it is slowly deteriorating. But in the end, you got yours and that is all that really matters. Ignorance truly is bliss.
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